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With Deb and Joe out this week, Lisa speaks with Gary Clark, a visiting research fellow at the University of Adelaide, about his book Carl Jung and the Evolutionary Sciences. They explore Gary’s background in literature and music, his experiences with flow states during performances, and how these experiences connect to Jung’s ideas about the numinous. The discussion delves into the influence of indigenous cultures on understanding consciousness, the role of anthropology in Jung’s work, and the implications of evolutionary development on human psychology. In this conversation, Gary and Lisa delve into the connections between evolutionary biology, psychology, and the role of rituals in human development. They explore the concept of homologies and archetypes, emphasizing the shared structures across species and how these relate to Jung’s theories. The discussion transitions into the dual brain systems in humans, highlighting the importance of integrating the ancient emotional brain with the neocortex. They also touch on the significance of rituals and psychedelics in facilitating this integration, particularly during the tumultuous adolescent years, where mental health challenges often arise. They reflect on the relevance of Jung’s insights in contemporary neuroscience and the necessity of cultural practices to support young people’s development. Gary and Lisa further explore the connections between maternal love, Jungian psychology, and the biological underpinnings of social bonding. They discuss the concepts of anima and animus, and the psychological implications of sex-based differences. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of integrating scientific inquiry with spiritual and mystical experiences, particularly through the lens of dreams and rituals. They also delve into the roles of Eros and Logos in understanding gender differences and the potential of psychedelics in exploring consciousness. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the need for a synthesis of modern scientific understanding with the rich, archetypal dimensions of human experience.
